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OLD QUESTIONS & ANSWERS
Q: Since being jumped on by a Boxer at 12 weeks old my border is extremely protective if I sit anywhere with him. He will bark and act very aggressively to dogs passing by, although if they stop to say hello he is fine. How can I help him to relax in this situation? Ali
A: Hi Ali You don't mention how old your dog is now. If he was jumped on at 12 weeks old, it won't necessarily have affected him permanently. If the incident happened only a few days ago, I would need to know quite a bit more about the details, before I could comment on it further. So long as a puppy is really well socialised, then the odd skirmish shouldn't leave a permanent psychological scar -unless of course the skirmish resulted in serious injuries. How a dog copes with problems can depend very much upon the owner's reaction. If an owner gets angry with the other dog or owner (understandably!) it can have an affect on your puppy. As annoying as these incidents are, it's much better to stay calm, and if you can walk away from the situation and have a game with your dog, say with a toy, to take his mind off it. But, as I say, I'm not in possession of all the details. Dogs are rarely protective of their owners. They are usually 'protecting' themselves from a real, or perceived threat. If your dog is barking at other dogs, but is fine when he meets them, then he is probably simply over excited at seeing them. Further on-lead socialisation will be called for plus more interaction from you, the owner. The description that he is barking 'aggressively' is misleading though, as owners often interpret 'excitement'as aggression. Dogs can learn to get along with several dogs and egard them as 'nonthreatening' but puppies that aren't sufficiently socialised have problems when it comes to greeting dogs that are new to them. The other side of the coin is that the dog hat jumped on your puppy is also probably nadequately socialised too! When seeing another dog, engage your dog in a game with you. Have your dog on lead so that you remain in control at all times, and play with a rope toy or imilar. The idea is to keep your dog's attention on you, rather than worry about what's going on lsewhere. Alternate the game with a supply of tasty food treats, and have your dog work for a food treat. This could be done by running through a series of obedience-style commands- e.g. 'Sit', followed by 'Down' then another 'Sit', then a game with the toy, and so-on. It's partly about getting your dog to focus on you, and partly about 'pairing' something good (toys, treats, activities) with the presence of another dog (Classical conditioning) Remember though, that if your dog is really excited, the toy play might create even more excitement, so if that happens, resort to the 'Sit' routine for treats. It's a question of changing tack sometimes, to get the best results. The idea is to intervene and go into the above routine BEFORE anything happens. It's much better than trying to deal with excitable barking as it happens. Be proactive. Obviously these things don't work immediately, and it can be difficult to put into place, but all you need to do is keep going; keep working with your dog, and he will eventually enjoy the games and interaction he has with you, and not be so excited about the presence of other dogs. Debbie G
Q: We got Merlin as a puppy. He will be 3 in October. We love him very much and he is well fed and has 2 decent walks per day because we live in the countryside. We bought him just before we moved here. We took him to puppy training and he gets along well with other dogs [except the lady vicar's collie] however, his problem is barking. He barks at everything. We have a large garden and when we let him out he dashes about barking at birds, flying insects, joggers running past the gate, cyclists, the farmer's tractor -you name it, he barks. It's as though he is saying, 'I'm here and you will acknowledge me!' It is a very loud bark and next door we have a nurse who works nights and a Police Officer across the road who also works shifts. We have had a complaint. So he barks and we fetch him in. Once inside the house, which fronts on to the road, he barks at everyone going past. It is becoming a nuisance. We're glad when he sleeps. In other aspects he can be quite laid back, for example, he doesn't get up until 10.00 am. He like to sleep in. Any ideas. We are afraid that the neighbours will make us re- home him. C. Goodwin A: Hi Carole and Tim Some dogs are very vocal whilst others may never even bother barking, even if a whole team of burglars entered the house, so it's very much an individual thing. However, barking can be kept to a minimum even when a dog is by nature, very noisy. Firstly, although you say that Merlin has been to puppy training, you don't say for how long, or what he learned whilst there. Some puppy classes are simply places where puppies play together, and yet others are more structured. In any case, a puppy needs more than just a puppy class; he needs to be acquainted with lots of things in the outside world, until he no longer reacts to them. This familiarisation should continue well into the dog's second year - and beyond, if necessary. No one single solution is going to prevent Merlin barking at things which stimulate him, and that is sometimes made worse because he lives in a rural area. That is, everything that happens is exciting, so he barks. Dogs that are brought up in towns and cities rarely have this problem - they are familiarised with everything every time they go out of the house. What makes it worse is that in country areas, there isn't a continual hum of traffic and people, or hustle and bustle; there is usually virtual silence, which is then intermittently interrupted by something really exciting - noise, movement, voices, etc etc and in a way is magnified because it's usually so quiet. It's not possible to give any dog complete access to the house and garden and then expect him to control his own behaviour. What Merlin is doing is perfectly normal in the absence of any sort of rules or boundaries. However, what to do? I'm going to draw up a brief list of basic rules - I call them management techniques. They won't silence your dog at a stroke but they will help. It will take time to produce a quieter dog. • Don't allow Merlin free access to the garden. Take him out to the garden on a lead, if he needs to toilet, for example, and then bring him in again. He does not need to run freely around the garden. Most of all keep him away from the gate. • Use a crate when you can't supervise, and possibly cover the crate with a blanket or similar. This will hopefully have a calming effect on Merlin. Make sure that you carefully and kindly train Merlin to be happy to use the crate as his den. • Use safety gates in doorways to prevent access to windows or doors that are situated nearest to the pavement that goes by your cottage. • If necessary close curtains or blinds, and play soft background music to muffle sounds from outdoors. • Don't try to quiet Merlin by shouting at him as you will only increase his excitement level. • Go shopping for dog toys that are interactive or keep Merlin occupied, e.g. balls that you can fill with treats (or your dog's dinner) or buy black Kongs to stuff with food (or his dinner) - the black ones are virtually indestructible. Dogs that spend time chewing get tired and tend to settle down more easily. If you buy dog chews make sure that they are the largest you can find. I buy a pack of ten of the largest I can find, and my terriers spend time chewing and can't pull bits off and swallow them. • Teach Merlin to settle down by your feet in the evenings by attaching a light lead and wrapping it around your foot. Whilst Merlin is "anchored" closely to you, ignore unwanted behaviour BUT notice, and reward all acceptable behaviour. Don't talk to him or give instructions. Don't touch him or look at him, but drop a small food treat on to the floor in front of him, if he settles quietly - even if only for a split second. Behaviour that is rewarded is guaranteed to be repeated. Repeat often. Carry on with this exercise every evening for months and months. • Don't give "feedback" for unwanted behaviour. e.g. don't shout at Merlin or respond when he barks. Simply collect him, and crate him. Give him a chew toy to keep him occupied. A dog can't bark and chew at the same time! • Remove chews when your dog appears to be bored with them. Don't take chews off Merlin if he has a tendency to be possessive with them. Wait until he seems to have finished with it, and lure him away with a tasty food treat, such as a cube of cheese. Put them away for a while and ration toys and chews -thus they will maintain their novelty value. • Try using a DAP diffuser and/or spray for the furnishings in the home and Merlin's bedding or anywhere else you can think off. Even spray it on your clothes. You can also get a DAP collar. For further information take a look at: http://www.vetuk.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=6 • Make sure that most of your walks take places in towns and other places where Merlin will have chance to get used to the things that he is getting excited about. Put him in the car and take him to those places and give him some "life experiences". Do this regularly, not just once a week. • Further training would also help, but it should be positive, reward-based training. Some trainers still use punishment and correction, but give the odd food treat and call it "reward based" Not true! Training should not include any form of correction or punishment. Reward based is more successful and it sticks! Punishment only serves to make a dog cowed. The idea is to be proactive, rather than address unwanted behaviour when it happens. Intervene, take control, and use good "management" techniques. Most people that bring dogs to my classes have to be taught how to be calm around their dogs, and how to teach their dogs to be calm. Most importantly make sure that you are both in agreement about how you are going to tackle this problem. Inform your neighbours that you are aware that there is a problem, and that you are working on it. There are no quick fixes, and you will need to be very patient. Any finally.....try not to take advice from every "well informed" dog owner that you meet, and certainly not from anyone who quotes pack leadership. Don't be taken in by TV dog trainers, or believe everything you read in some dog training books. I have a list of good dog training and behaviour books on my website: www.positivedogs.co.uk Best wishes Debbie G
Q: Hi Debbie,
A: Hi Helen, I'm awfully sorry but your query made me giggle! It sounded very much like a chapter out of a James Herriot book! However, I do know how embarrassing this can be as my own Border, Rooney, can be quite vocal when we stop the car. Sometimes it's a question of keeping things to a minimum rather than stopping the behaviour all together. Actually it's quite fascinating. Your Border has associated the sound of the indicator with the fact that your car is manoeuvring, which could mean that you might be about to stop, or at least make a break in the journey for a nice walk. Dogs learn in lots of ways, but mainly by 'association' and by 'reward'. Your Border has associated the indicator with something rewarding 'a walk' or at least getting out of the car- which of course she enjoys. Thus, she gets very excited, and her excitable behaviour is reinforced by the reward (usually) of a walk. I always suggest the use of a crate in a car when a dog is travelling, because the less they can see, the quieter they are. For my own dogs I use those 'airline approved' travelling crates which have solid sides and tops, which of course means that the dog cannot see too much. They are sometimes called 'Vari Kennels'. You could get your dog used to the kennel prior to putting it in the car, and build up a good association by giving her something to chew and occupy her whilst in the kennel. You could also spend time sitting in the car, with her in the kennel/crate, when you are not going anywhere, and switch the indicator back and forth, but only if she has a really tasty chew, or a stuffed Kong, for example. The chew should be something that is completely safe. If you have read through the previous answers to problems you will have noted that reacting to noise only reinforces the dog's behaviour. As difficult as it may seem, it is imperative to keep quiet, otherwise you are giving your dog feedback for the very behaviour that you want to stop. Don't even turn round and look at her, or mention her name. In addition, take your Border out with you when you will not be stopping for a walk. One or both of my dogs accompany me when I go out in the car quite often, but they don't always go for a walk. If you're lucky, this may teach her that car travel isn't always an exciting prospect. However, older dogs take much more time to learn, and as an eight-year-old, your Border will have put in plenty of practise! Squirty water bottles or any other aversives are always a complete waste of time. At best they distract - and then the dog carries on with whatever it was doing. And at worst they can frighten some dogs -which oddly enough can be mistaken for 'good behaviour'. My Parson Russell Terrier would love to be squirted with water as she adores water in every possible form -she even tries to get in the shower with me! I can't guarantee results, but you may gain some improvement if you put the above into practise on a consistent and regular basis. Don't give up, even when it appears not to be working, just keep going, and stay patient! Debbie G
Q: Hi Debbie, The usual problem, intermittant aggression always aggressess on lead but about every fourth dog off lead,how do i curb this as outside Ben has no inclination to be distracted either by food or toys he focuses on the dog and once hes snapped at it leaves it. He actually nipped a dog this week so feel I must try harder but HOW!!! Viv knows all about Ben as she homed him with me and knows his background at his past home so maybe you will get a fuller picture from her.Many thanks in advance. Vicky A: Hi Vicky Many people tell me that their dogs aren't interested in food rewards or toys when outside the home. Make no mistake about it; this is the issue to work on before you can even begin to resolve the problem. It's far too easy to go along with the dog, and just give up. Make a point of training your dog to be absolutely bonkers about food and / or toys. You will need to aim for your dog to be completely obsessed by both -or at least one. Dogs don't generalise very well. What they learn in one area, they find difficult to repeat in another area -especially if they have fear issues in that area. Also, dogs cannot concentrate on food or anything you have to offer if they are stressed or fearful -we would feel the same in similar circumstances. One of the things I teach in all my classes on the very first lesson is how to get the dog to focus on the owner. Without this focus a dog cannot be trained. In other words it's no use talking to the back of a dog's head as he is barking/lunging/attacking other dogs -or indeed doing any of the stuff that we owners wish they wouldn't do! And, as you have seen, once a dog has all his focus on the other dogs, there's not much you can do about it. Food treats can vary in the way that they appeal to dogs. Basic doggy food treats (e.g. Coachies) are very tasty (I'm told!) and most dogs will focus on them in many different circumstances. But if that dog highly distracted, for whatever reason, you might as well be offering him a handful of buttons. I use 'high grade' food treats, for times and circumstances when a dog is likely to be distressed or distracted. 'High Grade' simply means something that the dog doesn't get in other circumstances, and that his highly palatable. Examples could be: cubes of cheese, chopped sausage, chopped liver/bacon/chicken -but go easy on the liver as it can have a laxative effect. The training for food treats has to begin at home. Also you need to check that your dog is eating a bland, high quality, complete diet, e.g. Hill's Science etc. Feed your dog twice a day, and remove any food not eaten after about ten minutes. Dogs that have food available most of the time aren't always interested in food as rewards as they are usually 'topped up' with food anyway. So here's a few tips about how to make a start to develop a Food Reward Junkie: • At home, sit in an armchair and have your dog on a lead. Use a food treat bag on your belt and fill it with goodies. • Take a small handful of food treats, and cup your hand round them, whilst keeping hold of the lead with your other hand. Alternatively you can put your foot on the lead, but don't give too much leeway. Your dog shouldn't be able to gaze around too much or pull away from you. • Stay calm! Even when it's making slow progress, stay calm and stay patient! Don't speak. • With the food in your cupped hand, allow your dog to sniff/lick at the gap formed by your thumb and forefinger. The more he sniffs the better. If he's not interested, check that the food is appealing, and that he's not got a full tummy. • As he sniffs and licks, allow him to take and eat just one tiny food treat. All food treats should be tiny -about half the size of your smallest fingernail. • After a minute or so, end the exercise, and repeat often. Don't go on and on, short bursts are much more successful. This applies to all training! You will need to transfer this 'food' training to many other areas, gradually adding various other distractions. In the meantime, I suggest you walk your Border in quieter areas where there are fewer dogs, until you have more interest in food treats -indeed an obsessive interest in food treats! Most people believe that dogs who behave like this need to be further 'socialised' with other dogs, but it's not quite that simple, and forcing the dog to face up to other dogs can be far too confrontational, and indeed can have the reverse effect. Walking your dog in quieter areas will help the stress hormones settle, and give you both more pleasant walks. The idea is, that if you do see another dog you will need to switch your dog's attention to the food rewards, and ask him to run through a series of behaviours, e.g. sit, down, sit, watch, find the treat, etc. etc. but it's still early days. Also, you would need to do this with every dog you see, not just those that your Border reacts to. A very definite association will need to be built between the appearance of another dog and food rewards/alternative behaviour. You will also have to leash your dog, because you can't train or interact with your dog once the behaviour has begun and he's off lead. Just don't give it chance to happen. If you want to stop a behaviour -then teach another one instead- that's the plan! This problem is really too detailed and involved to try and resolve in a single written answer. I'm happy to support you if you would care to email me privately with updates. In the meantime, the above information will get you started, but it will take a lot of input and consistency on your part to keep it going, and make it successful. Debbie G
Hello Debbie A few weeks ago I asked your advice about Ben's aggression and while awaiting your reply I employed a dog trainer, told him I didnt want him scared and bullied as he is fear aggressive. Well on the first (expensive)session he alpha rolled him! And stupid me I agreed a second session, where he attached a spray collar and used it. Ben just ran away with fear all the way home. I was so scared re-traffic and whether he would find the way back. I almost ran up a 150-metre hill (am knocking on a bit so not a good thing) to find Ben waiting at the gate. Then on for 20 minutes the trainer told me how it was all my fault and that I should walk him where he would not know his way home. He practically called me a liar when I told him Ben's recall was always good and it was him using such methods that was the problem. I also asked him for his plan as Ben was worse after that; he didnt have an answer. Am now much poorer and much wiser. I sacked him of course. Now I am using your method as it makes sense. I tried hard to find food to interest him when outside and it'ss sausage so I practised indoors for ages both with the sausage and with excited "sausages" word. I have tried him outside with mixed results, finding the sausage greasy and hard to handle so I went back to smaller treats. Today I walked Ben through some woods where we met a few dogs. I put him on his lead and kept it loose; we passed them with no probs bar an alsacian bounding past us and he barked just once. Now for the best bit: at the last field before we go home two black labs exercising themselves while owner sat on a stile came up to us. Ben LOOKED at me then LOOKED again and again till we were out of range and I didnt ask him to; he just worked it out. HALLELULIA! So many thanks; I think we are on our way to a result Victoria
Hi Vicki It's very good of you to let us know about the trainer that you employed. Most people might have kept it quiet! However, it does emphasise that there are still trainers out there who are practising doubtful, outdated, and in some cases downright cruel methods. Frankly, it makes my blood boil to think that some trainers (and owners) have to frighten their dogs into submission to "get" the dog to "behave". Obviously people who behave like this towards dogs don't actually like dogs. I would advise anyone who is thinking of attending a training class or thinking of employing a "behaviourist" or trainer, to check him or her out thoroughly before attending classes, or employing anyone on a one to one basis. If you are thinking of joining a training class, ask if you can sit in on a few classes first - not just an odd one - and watch carefully and observe the training methods used. If fear or some sort of "dominance" techniques are used, my advice would be to politely say "No". Remember, your dog only has you to protect him and help him. Dogs also have feelings and emotions, and we would do well to remember that as well as teaching them to fit into our world, we should also learn to communicate with them on their terms too. I know of someone recently who has just started up her own behavioural practice and she advertises herself as "degree qualified". Now, whilst she may have many qualifications under her belt, she may or may not be a good trainer! Whist any qualification is never wasted, a trainer must have hands on experience with a number of different dogs over many years, and a track record which can be reiterated by several vet practises in that area. Word of mouth is always the best way to find a good trainer and yet I know that some owners will be impressed by the "degree". Of course there is much theory to positive dog training and I cannot emphasise enough the "science" behind the training, but experience (of the right kind) that is gained over many years before anyone should even begin to think about letting themselves loose on the general dog-owning public. You may wonder how on earth one would gain experience in that case, but that is another topic for another day. On the whole, in my humble opinion, owners aren't selective enough about which club they attend, or which dog trainer they employ. Remember, anyone can call himself or herself a dog trainer (even me!) so owners need to research and compare and contrast trainers and their methods. If there's nobody in your area that you really feel happy with, it's worth travelling to a different area. Don't just be happy with a class or a trainer because it's nearer or cheaper. I regularly scan the Internet, reading websites advertising various trainers both in the UK and internationally. Sometimes what I read makes me despair! For example one training kennel advertises the fact that they guarantee results. In my experience one cannot guarantee anything in this life, let alone the outcome of behavioural modification for a difficult dog. And if they guarantee results, how are they achieving those results? However I'm really pleased to learn that you appear to be making progress with your dog with the methods I suggested. Of course, it's not always easy and you may have good days and bad days, but you will get there in the end. Please feel free to ask again if there's anything else you need to know. Debbie G
Hi Debbie,
Please could you help us our Border Terrier is a lovely freindly dog but is not good on a lead she pulls and get's so excited about everthing around her she thinks that every body wants to make a fuss of her so all your having to do is pull her back, she's 17months old.
Joyce
Hi Joyce Your Border is behaving like a 17 month old puppy, just like many other dogs in that age group, so don't worry, it's not a 'Border Thing', it's simply a youngster's way of enjoying the world around her. Dogs that aren't adequately socialised often behave in this way. Lack of socialisation can mean that some dogs are often fearful of other dogs or people (or both) but it can also mean that yet others indulge in 'over-the-top' behaviour at the sight of other dogs or people, because they haven't learned to cope in a calmer way. And of course inherited temperament is also a factor. Some dogs are more excitable than others, just like people are different. The fact that she is friendly, is the main thing. Over friendliness can be somewhat problematic, but much easier to deal with than a dog who is not friendly at all! I have found that a Gentle Leader Headcollar is by far the simplest way of dealing with over friendly behaviour. But it does take a while for a dog to become accustomed to a headcollar, so you would have to persist. There are many other headcollars on the market these days, but I prefer the GL as in my view it is a more comfortable fit. Sometimes it's difficult to understand why a dog is so ecstactically happy to see a complete stranger! Owners often wonder why the dog isn't interested in them once the dog sees a person approaching. Well, it's up to us, to make sure that our dogs are interested in us. A stranger has novelty value! But you can bet your life that if your dog went to live with that stranger, after a few days the tables would be completely turned around. When you walk your dog, arm yourself with some tasty food treats and teach your dog to 'Sit' for a food reward, every single time she is approached by a person. Yes, really, every single time -no exceptions. Teach 'Sit' at other times too, not just at the side of the road, but in every day life. Ask your dog to 'Sit' dozens of times a day, so that it becomes second nature. A Gentle Leader will help you to maintain control and keep your dog calm. Walk with your arms by your sides, and keep the lead a little shorter -in other words, don't hold the lead by the handle and let your arms become an extension of the lead. With practise, you will be walking your dog by your side, and not yards ahead of you. Armed with a Gentle Leader, a treat bag full of tasty goodies, and a large amount of determination, you can overcome this problem given time, but of course the other side of the coin is dealing with the people! Most people make matters worse by greeting your dog too enthusiastically. It's difficult to ask a complete stranger to behave themselves, so you have to be tactful. After all, you want your dog to remain friendly towards people, but learn a little self control as well. It's helpful if the person concerned is willing to help out be giving your dog a food reward in exchange for a 'it'. Over time, your dog will learn to associate the appearance of people with 'Sit'. You won't always need to reward every sit, but don't be in a hurry to phase out the food rewards at times when things are more difficult. There are no shortcuts to dealing with this behaviour, it's simply a matter of consistency and lots of repetition over a long period of time -just like all dog training! Good luck, and be sure to let us all know the outcome! Debbie
Dear Debbie, Emma
Chasing and 'going off on a scent' is a common problem. It can occur with any breed because dogs are designed to stalk, chase and kill, as part of their survival instincts. Chasing (that is) any chasing should be addressed during puppyhood as part of a dog's on-going education, before it builds up and gets reinforced in the dog's mind. When dogs chase, they get reinforced as it's an instinctive reaction (so happens without being taught) and for the dog it's very enjoyable too! Although you mention that your dog's recall is 'generally good', it's my bet that as with many owners the recall hasn't actually been trained it's simply happened when the dog hasn't been interested in doing anything better -that's dogs for you! Recall training should be done in areas of low distraction, gradually building up to areas of higher distraction, until the recall is 'proofed' against just about anything. This takes months, sometimes a year or two to achieve. Chasing wildlife gets worse and worse, as the dog gets older. If a dog stays away for half an hour or so, that's bad enough, but then the time lapse gets longer and longer, until the habit is completely out of control. Not to mention the stress and disturbance caused to wild life! The longer that a dog has been indulging in the chase habit, the longer it will take to resolve -if it ever is. There is simply no alternative but to keep your dog on a lead, unless you are in a safe enclosed area. That's the bottom line. Of course, whilst on the lead a dog can be trained to respond to the owner in a much more positive way. When you take your dog out, arm yourself with lots of tasty food treats. Put the food treats in a treat bag - it's much handier than having loose treats in your pocket, and better for your timing. Continually train your dog when you are out. That is, teach 'Sits', 'Downs' and 'Mini Recalls'. Get your dog so focussed on you and your training that everything else fades into the background. This can take up to 18 months to achieve, and that's if everything goes well, and you keep up the training. In the meantime, the dog should not be let off lead to practise and reinforce chase behaviour. However, it can take even longer with dogs that have been in the chase habit for a long time HOW TO DO MINI RECALLS: With a tasty food treat in one hand and your lead in the other hand, repeatedly step backwards calling your dog towards you, whilst luring your dog with the food reward. When your dog gets to you, get her as close as possible, and lure her to 'Sit'. Then reward with the food treat. Then allow her to walk with you and repeat this procedure hundreds of times a week, yes, really, hundreds! The idea is to get your dog to come towards you time and time again, and be rewarded every single time. Don't worry about 'Good Dog' or pats on the head, just use the food. Don't be tempted to let your dog off lead until you are absolutely certain that there will be no distractions, and that your dog can't possibly chase, get lost, or get into danger. There is no way to address this problem whilst still allowing your dog off lead. To have a dog disappear for five minutes is terrifying enough, but half an hour is totally unacceptable, and as you will see, the time that dogs stay away just increases the more they are allowed to indulge in this behaviour. I can't emphasise enough that your dog is at risk of being permanently lost or worse. She should not be off lead at all when there is any chance that she will chase wild life, or anything else for that matter. Debbie
Hello We have bought a border terrier she is eight months old and we are struggling to retrieve her when another dog comes along as she wants to play with every dog she sees. How do we go about rectifying this problem. We have bought a whistle but sometimes doesn't respond to it when she gets her stubborn head on. When she is on her own she responds to the whistle fine . Also we have caught her eating rabbit pooh and horse pooh why does she do this.
Regards
Peter
Hi Peter, At eight months old, your Border possibly hasn't had any input whatsoever. That means she has had eight months without any learning other than to become very dog orientated. Of course, we all want our dogs to be sociable with other dogs and people, but we also want our dogs to learn how to greet dogs and people sensibly. As with my previous reply, dogs should be kept on lead unless they are very well trained which of course takes time -up to two years. Your dog does not respond to the whistle because she is not whistle trained, not because she has 'her stubborn head on'. Believe it or not, dogs are not "stubborn" or any of those human attributes that owners often ascribe to them. Right now, the whistle is meaningless. The sound of the whistle probably interrupts behaviour from time to time, or it might work occasionally if your dog hasn't got anything better to do -such as run and play with another dog. If she responds to the whistle when she is on her own, then her response to the whistle needs to be "proofed". Obviously, your dog should be on lead from now on so that she cannot indulge in behaviour that is going to be reinforced, whilst you proof her recall training. Anyway, at eight months any dog is unlikely to have a good recall. If you read my previous reply you will see why I suggest that untrained dogs are not only walked on lead, but trained at the same time. Dogs eat horse poo and sheep poo because they enjoy it! They're not humans, they're dogs, and as such are scavengers and opportunists. There is also a small amount of nutrition in such delightful treats, so dogs cannot resist! You can prevent this habit from becoming worse, by further regular training, and keeping your dog on a lead for the foreseeable future so that you can intervene rapidly, and even better prevent the problem occurring. I've also written a short article about whistle training which should appear shortly. Debbie
TO READ DEBBIE'S ARTICLE ABOUT WHISTLE TRAINING PLEASE CLICK ON THE FOLLOWING LINK (ONCE YOU HAVE READ THE ARTICLE CLICK ON 'GO BACK' RATHER THAN 'CLOSE' OR THAT WILL TAKE YOU OFF OUR WEBSITE): http://www.borderterrierwelfare.org.uk/WhistlTrainingAmended.pdf Q: Hi Debbie, Got your email address from BT Welfare website and was hoping you could give me some tips on our BTs. We have two from the same litter (we now know this was a mistake and not recommended) both boys, neutered, age 3. They are great little dogs (unless you are a cat!) but we cannot let one off the lead at all and the other runs away for an hour and comes back when he is ready. Flynn - we can let him off but he just runs away into the woods and comes back after an hour or so of chasing stuff Archie - we cannot let him off at all. When we have done this in the past he has run across a road, onto a motorway, run to the vet. We recently went to Wales on holiday and let him off on a large beach - he wasn't too bad but did run about 300 yards away and fell in the water! We would love to let them off to play but we are just too afraid of losing them both. We have tried using our local "secure" dog walking field but they slipped under the fence and were gone. Is it a forlorn hope that we can ever let then off - apart from when they are too old to run!!! I really look forward to your reply. Best Regards, Mandy A: Hi Mandy, I think that "not coming back when called" is the problem behaviour that I'm asked about more often than anything else! If you are familiar with the Border Terrier Welfare website, you may like to read through my previous letters and in particular my reply to "Emma" - which covers this particular problem. Without doubt the problem arises because owners don't do any proper recall training and only discover that there is a problem when a dog is let off lead. Usually, it's not too bad the first time - it might take a while for the dog to be "captured", but then the problem grows, slowly at first, until there is no hope of the dog coming back at all. Take it from me, it's the most dangerous problem owners can encounter and yet, usually no significant training is done prior to letting a dog off lead. And of course in your case, two dogs - which of course is twice as difficult. It's very important that each dog is trained separately. Many owners with two puppies/dogs, tell me that they don't have the time to do individual walks/training, in which case I'm not able to find a way to help. Even litter siblings have different personalities and learn at different rates. And each individual needs to learn to focus on the owner - and become far less "dog orientated", so there's no option but to train separately. There is no one single answer to recall problems, except to say that it does mean keeping a dog on lead until the problem is resolved. Therefore training has to be done on lead. (See "Mini Recalls" on the training page of the BT website) If you read through most of my replies on the BT Website you will learn that the most important thing is not to attempt to address the problem as it happens, but to build up your dog's ability to focus on you, and of course, your ability to focus on the dog. This is the starting point. As far as a dog is concerned, owners are just instruments to get them outdoors! As soon as most dogs are off lead, the owner becomes a thing of the dim and distant past - only to be remembered again at feed time! Off lead training has to be approached slowly and carefully, from the very first day that you get your puppy (or puppies!). Whilst on the subject, I will point out that some dogs are never a problem with recalls even in the absence of any training, which can cloud the issue sometimes. It might be interesting to take a look at a few facts about dogs off lead: DOGS THAT DON'T NEED TRAINING! Some dogs are too laid back and chilled to even think about wandering too far away and don't have a great deal of interest in the world around them. Yet others are anxious and nervous by nature, and cling to their owners - these dogs have to be taught to be slightly more independent and confident, which is another story, but their recall training doesn't really make a difference, as they don't feel able to leave their owners and always keep an eye on them. Amazingly, some owners have a lifetime of "easy dogs" and can't see what all the fuss is about, as they never really had to train any of their dogs. However, some of these owners often end up with a more difficult dog and then the problems begin! PUPPIES Young puppies, when let off lead at say around 12 weeks onwards, may stick with their owners at first, until that is, confidence and courage develop, and in just a few short weeks puppy recalls are non-existent because their early behaviour lulled owners into a false sense of security. EARLY DEVELOPMENT Puppies go through a period (amongst others) called the "Flight Instinct Period" which means that they can take flight, for no apparent reason. This period happens (not always) around the 6-8 month age group - just at the time when owners think about letting their dog off lead. PUNISHMENT Dogs that don't come back when called often get punished when they finally return (of their own accord) to their owners. Punish your dog for coming back to you, and you will ensure that your recalls get worse and worse as your dog begins to view you as being unpredictable - sometimes you're nice, sometimes you're cross. DISTRACTION TRAINING This is a big problem. Most dogs can do plenty of "obedience" stuff in their own homes, or anywhere where there are no distractions, but mostly it never gets "proofed". FORCE Bad training methods abound, but you can't force a dog to come back to you. Even the dyed-in-the-wool "dominance" style trainers, and the "Milan style" coercion trainers, can't force a dog to return, once it's off lead and ignoring the owner. Sadly some owners resort to electric collars, but this is an admission of their own failure and ability to turn to aggression as a first resort, and call it a "last resort". Take my word for it, aggression breeds aggression, and electric collars - apart from being inhumane - cause more problems than they resolve. CHASING Another problem can be owners who decide that dogs (especially "their" breed) cannot be taught not to chase. The predatory chase instinct in dogs is very strong, and can be stronger in some individuals than others - regardless of breed. In short, most dogs are programmed to chase anything that moves. (This is why "proofing" is so important) SCENT Dogs use their noses all the time. The more a dog's nose is glued to the ground, the less he is interested in his owner. Invariably interesting scents lead to interesting things to chase! ERRONEOUS INFORMATION IN SOME BOOKS, MAGAZINES, AND TV DOG TRAINING PROGRAMMES Trust me, recall training can take up to 18 months to perfect - and that is if you begin from puppyhood, and religiously train non-stop on a daily basis using positive methods only. There are no quick fixes. Just offering a basic bland food treat to your dog will have no effect at all in the face of deer scent, or the promise of a bitch in heat! There's also the problem of people you meet on walks who tell you to let your dog off lead, or give you various bits of advice that might have worked with their dogs. It's got nothing to do with reality. BAGGAGE Many dogs carry "baggage" that is, lessons already learned, reinforced and instilled, even if the owner hasn't trained them! Rescue dogs that have never had any training are a prime example. Once a dog discovers the delights of running free, it can take years to overcome. Dogs that have been previously punished upon returning to their owners will probably always be wary of their owners. Sad really. The older the dog the more baggage it carries. So, having gone through some doggy facts of life, I hope that you will not be too disappointed to learn that a good recall depends on months and months of consistent and constant training. It begins by teaching your dog to focus on you, using tasty food rewards, which has been discussed in many of my previous replies that are available on the Border Terrier Welfare site. I hope this reply has been of some help. Would you be good enough to let me have some feedback? Also, would it be OK to print your letter - and my reply - on the BT Welfare site? Best wishes Debbie
Dear Debbie I wonder if you can offer any advice please? I've had five Borders over the last twenty-five years and for the majority of that time I have had the dogs (all male) in varying pairs as the older dogs have given way to younger ones. All the dogs have been walked on a couple with success. I have never experienced any of the dogs pulling, mostly because the younger dogs have been introduced to the couple with an experienced older dog and have just followed suit.
Not so my newest chap! Sidney is now ten months old and showing all the signs of adolescence! As part of this, he has the urge to pull excitedly forward and also has the dangerous habit of weaving from side to side in front of me. I feel like a new dog owner on this one as he doesn't seem interested in my attempts to keep him back. I've read on your website about the Gentleleader and am keen to give this a try. I wonder if you could let me know if this would work on a couple if Cecil, his companion is not in the same type of collar. I have always used choke chains (which I have just learned from your website you are anti) although I can assure you I have never used them to jerk on; however, I dislike keeping terriers in collars because of the danger of them getting caught should they go to ground (I don't encourage this, but they are terriers: spring is tempting and we do live in glorious countryside so the occasional exploration of a hole is a fact of life that, as a terrier owner, I have to accept), plus I also dislike the way a collar breaks the hairs around the neck. Cecil is six and has lived with us for the last three years (former life was in a show kennel; hence he is incredibly placid and loves being handled). Should I put both dogs in the Gentleleader?
I have another problem, again another I have never encountered, either with pairs or single dogs on a lead. Sidney has decided to bark at other dogs when on the lead. I don't believe this is aggression, more enthusiasm. But it isn't sociable (especially at 7.15am when we are walking to meet the school bus in a quiet village!) and, worse, it makes Cecil join in, more ferociously as if he is protecting Sidney and me. I've tried making Sidney sit but it doesn't have any effect. If I say 'No' to Cecil he stops immediately, but then Sidney doesn't and we start all over again. I think it may have been triggered by a neighbour's pair of Airedales, one of whom is an aggressive bully. I've looked this up in all my dog books but the advice is always to 'walk away' or avoid the situation from happening. But it isn't as easy as that, especially if you are waiting at the bus stop and there isn't a pavement on the other side of the road. It's also avoiding the problem and not curing it. All my previous Borders have approached other dogs with tails wagging, and even when provoked by another dog, have literally ignored them. I want sociable dogs that people in the village find friendly. If we go on like this, people will think I have dangerous dogs! I have heard about citronella collars that emit when the dog does something I find disagreeable. Are these humane? If so, do they work?
Sidney and Cecil took to each other immediately and are excellent companions. They have good table manners (I always make my dogs Sit, Stay and then Finish) and Sidney picked up his house training even quicker than any other Border I've had; he's a very intelligent dog. I walk them twice a day and work from home. I've always felt myself to be a responsible owner with Gentlemen Borders who have had impeccable manners. But Sidney is proving a challenge to me over these two issues. I wish I was closer to you as I'd love to come and see you but distance (I'm in Kent) doesn't make that possible. If you are able to offer any advice, I would be so grateful. I know if I speak to the vet, they will suggest castration but I personally feel that is a rather drastic approach if it isn't clinically necessary. Also, I don't want to risk the behaviour becoming set so that it continues as he gets older and matures (in my experience, Borders seem to make a gear change when they reach about two). What am I doing wrong?
Many thanks,
Caroline
Hi Caroline (With Sydney and Cecil),
I'm not able to give a complete response to your very detailed letter, as there are far too many points to address -and as you say it would be good if you were closer then I could see the dogs in question and talk to you over a period of several weeks.
To begin, I'm going raise a few serious and pertinent points, so please indulge me:
At ten months old, Sydney needs one to one training and attention. It isn't fair to expect him to behave in an acceptable way without any input from you. In addition having two dogs together means that behaviour can deteriorate, in the same way that having two toddlers can be more demanding than having just one! Plus of course, the behaviour of the older one invariably degenerates to the level of the younger one.
Pulling on lead and weaving from side to side can be addressed by using suitable (and humane) equipment and lots of input from you for a considerable period of time. By humane equipment I mean a Gentle Leader Headcollar -or other well fitting headcollar, and an ordinary lead and not a couple.
Regarding choke chains, it's not the fact that I'm "anti". That would indicate that it's simply a matter of my opinion. There is much hard evidence to suggest that choke chains are actually harmful to dogs, whether they are 'jerked' or not. That is a recorded fact. Ordinary collars do not in fact break hairs around the dog's neck, although they do probably flatten the hair. However, that's nothing compared to the invisible damage caused by choke chains.
I have three terriers, and I believe it is my responsibility to prevent my dogs going to ground. Yes, I know they're terriers, but if we take that line, it's tantamount to saying that we can't prevent any breed from doing what it was originally bred to do. Would this therefore apply to the fighting breeds, or perhaps less worryingly also to the dogs who we are told, 'go off on a scent'? Or the herding dogs .etc. I could say more, but I'm sure you get my drift.
Moving on, and to clarify, I suggest that you walk your dogs on separate leads, and as often as you can walk Sydney on his own, for training purposes. It sounds like a Gentle Leader would help a lot, but that doesn't mean that both dogs need to have them; it's up to you.
You can prevent Sydney weaving from side to side, by taking control with the lead and steering him to the place where you want him to walk. You will find more detailed instructions on my website:
At some later date (probably much later!) you could try them in a couple, but if you find that the behaviour of both of them deteriorates, then you will have to put separate leads on them again. The behaviour of an unruly/untutored dog almost always affects the behaviour of a dog who is a little more well mannered.
Dogs come in all shapes and sizes, and they also come with different personalities. Because your previous Borders were easier, it doesn't give you the experience needed to cope with a more demanding Border.
What triggers the behaviour is immaterial. It's what you do about it that is important. If you read back through some of my previous answers you will hopefully find hints about how to gain and keep your dog's attention regardless of distractions. Using food is the best way forward, and some adjustments to diet may be required for reward based training to succeed.
Also, it needs to be remembered that food should be phased out as the dog learns. (Please email my personal email address for further details if your dog is not responding to food rewards: Debbie@positivedogs.co.uk)
Although it's difficult to explain in writing what to do, the best I can say is that you should teach both dogs to 'sit' on command, a thousand times a day, until the 'sit' happens all the time. Reward each sit with food, and do it intermittently, perhaps when the dog(s) least expect it. Keep them engaged, and focussed using the food treats in a pouch attached to your belt. Do this on walks, at home, in the garden, on visits to friends and relatives, etc etc etc.
However, it will take time, persistence and patience for this to work, and you will need to keep going, even when it appears to be making little progress. The idea is that you can stop, when other dogs go by and get your dog(s) to 'Sit' and keep an eye on you. It does work, but I can't emphasise enough the amount of time and patience that you will need. And of course, this is not a complete solution, but it's the way to move forward and actually do something constructive.
Regarding citronella collars, my own view is that they are less than helpful. There are so many negative sides to them. They are expensive. In my experience they have been known to go off with any sort of vibration or movement. And of course dogs can simply get used to them. The problem is, they offer the usual 'instant fix' which always appeals to dog owners! I've been training dogs for over thirty years and haven't yet found one single 'instant fix' one that works on a long term basis.
Re castration: I have no problem with that, and neither should you. Castration is not an instant fix, but can have a calming effect on a dog, which in turn makes them more amenable to training. It is by no means any more drastic than having a bitch spayed. Go ahead.
And in conclusion (!) all dogs have a gear change at maturity. They are no longer puppies, and no longer adolescents. They are adults, hence the change in their behaviour. It's then a case of what you see is what you get, some of which can't be changed because character is inherited. Although dogs can be 'trained' we can't alter their inherited dispositions, but we can contain, control, and most of all, love the dog for what it is, and not what we'd like it to be.
Debbie Gillard www.positivedogs.co.uk Hi Debbie,
My almost 5 year old male BT Timmy has been rather gloomy for the last week or so, lying down a lot, looking worried when I approach (as if I'm about to beat him, which I have never in his life and we've had him since eight weeks old - if I'm cross, I use my voice, but even that only rarely), not much enthusiasm for anything. Physically he seems fine, eating well, wet nose, no obvious aches or pains, teeth fine, etc (but I will take him to get checked out).
He has always been a sensitive soul and quite easily frightened, but he seems worse. We are in a bit of a routine, but he gets about four walks a day, and around a farm, jumping horse fences etc, and we take him to other places quite often. A few changes recently: I've given up his weekly training session which he loved (hoping to resume when less busy at work), he's started work as a PAT dog (but only just and hasn't done any 'real' visits yet), and the horses who lived in the field next door to his garden have been moved - he was always wagging his tail at them, taking them his ball etc. He seems to be pining for something. Any ideas would be much appreciated. I've been thinking about it all day and wondering if it might be due to bitches on heat nearby (except that there are none very nearby or any actually that I know of). He's usually such a happy, playful dog that I'm quite worried.
Thanks,
Caroline
Hi Caroline and BT Timmy This is a tricky one. It's very difficult to answer without knowing the dog in question. My first reaction is to wonder if Timmy's behaviour is related to the disappearance of his horse friends. Some years ago I did a course on Pet Bereavement Counselling, and during the course of my research I found lots of owners who said that their dogs had pined almost to the point of starvation when a loved companion had died. Some of the animals included cats and horses. Indeed one cat was reported to have simply pined away and died in a stable where her beloved horse friend had died. Obviously, these are rather dramatic and serious stories, but it might just point to the fact that Timmy is finding it hard to cope without his usual friends. This is very similar to bereavement. In addition, he's not going to his usual training classes right now, and although he's qualified as a PAT dog, he's not actually started 'work' yet. Could it be that Timmy is at a bit of a loss, because his usual busy life has ground to a halt? Of course, if there were a bitch in season nearby, this would account for his behaviour too. Is he castrated? If not, a bitch in season would probably produce the behaviour that you are seeing. A dog can detect a bitch in season from miles away, so don't be fooled! I've known dogs to refuse to eat for days because they can detect a bitch in season! And of course you say that Timmy is a sensitive soul so any one of these things could be causing the changes that you are seeing. Also, a trip to the vet for a thorough check would be good too. I think it would be a wise plan to take Timmy on some more interesting walks. If you live in a rural area, you could put him in the car and take him to town! Visit villages or places where there is more activity and let him see as many different sights and sounds as possible. Even a ride in the car might cheer him up. You may like to visit friends with him, or take him for a day out. Also, try not to focus on him too much, in case you are actually giving feedback for this behaviour. Try to develop a happy, casual approach. His usual walks are fine, but they aren't actually different or interesting as far as Timmy is concerned. If there is something emotional affecting him, then giving him a more varied life would certainly help. Thankfully, Timmy has a very sensitive owner who has noticed the changes in his behaviour, so I'm sure that you will find a way to help him.I would be interested to hear how Timmy progresses, so please do let us know, and good luck with your PAT dog work! Debbie Gillard Dear Debbie,
Me and my partner have adopted a 5 years old male Border Terrier, Dave, through BTW just over a month ago. We noticed that he bark and pull a lot when he sees another dog while out walking, so we decided to take him to the local agility class to socialize with other dogs and see if he will calm down. However, he runs away to other dogs whenever he sees an opportunity and start fights. He picked a fight with a large dog the 1st time we went and was bitten, then got hold of an old spaniel last weekend even though that dog was minding his own business on the side of the room. We are very worried about this aggresive behaviour as well as being embrassing for us, it could potentially get him into a lot of bother. Dave is a very affectionate and loving dog in the house and with gets on well with other humans. We would like for him to have similar relationships with his own species. Is there anything you can recommend to help? Many thanks Nick Hi Nick I'm sorry to hear that you are having problems with your Border. You would be surprised how many times I have come across the problem that you describe! Not only with Borders of course, but with many other breeds of different ages. Obviously, some dogs are never socialised as very young puppies. The optimum age for socialisation is around three to twelve weeks. After this "socialisation window" closes, it becomes increasingly difficult to socialise a dog. One thing that is often overlooked by breeders and trainers alike, is a dog's inherited disposition. "Temperament" is everything, but this not only describes the dog's ability to be friendly toward people, but to all living things, moving things, and unusual and novel situations. Some dogs, regardless of breed have an inherited tendency towards ease of socialisation, whilst yet others inherit tendencies toward fearfulness, anxiety or suspicion around people or dogs that they don't know. Make no mistake about it, inheritance is everything. It is not unusual for dogs of this nature to be wonderful companions, and can even learn to get along quite quickly with other dogs in the family, or dogs that belong to relatives and friends. The problem is that they are not familiar with "canine niceties" and never learned how to "meet and greet" members of the own kind, that they do not already know. So, it's the new dogs, the dogs that are strangers that can lead to problems. Many trainers argue that dogs of this nature, simply "get one in first", and rush aggressively at strange dogs, to dominate them or whatever. Let's not forget that we don't actually know what dogs are thinking, and it's a waste of time trying to figure out exactly why. It's far easier just to get cracking with some training techniques. Apologies for the long preamble, but it does help if you understand the situation from your dog's point of view, as it were. It may come as a surprise to readers, but a training class is no place to socialise a fearful/aggressive dog. Other dogs in the class are not stooges on which to "try out" your dog's behaviour. (Most so-called "aggression" is simply fearfulness and/or anxiety) Dogs of this nature are unlikely to "calm down" - quite the reverse in fact! You, and possibly the trainer should be well aware of Dave's shortcomings, and should be prepared to take control, rather than just see what happens. Under no circumstances should a dog of this nature be allowed off lead, to practise the very behaviour that you are hopefully trying to prevent, and terrorise other dogs. I am astonished that a trainer could allow this to happen in any sort of training class, agility or otherwise. Dave will need many months of one to one training, gradually decreasing the distance between him and other dogs whilst teaching him to focus on you (using food or toy rewards). And it's preferable that this is not done in a class situation, but outside in the real world. The training techniques required are documented in other areas of this website, and too numerous to repeat. But trust me, nothing is going to happen without months and months of constant practise. In the meantime, Dave should never be allowed off lead around other dogs, until you have much more control, and until Dave is obsessed with looking at you, focussing on you, or on the toys or food that are on offer for good behaviour. Whilst ever Dave is focussed on another dog, that he is actively staring at, bristling at, or generally unhappy with, you will never change him. Get him into a Gentle Leader Headcollar, carry a treat bag with his favourite cooked sausages, and take a toy or two. (Not a ball because they are difficult to grasp and "tease" with, and have a habit of rolling away) These are your training tools, and you should never leave the house without them. Get him to turn to face you, luring with the food and with the help of the Gentle Leader, and engage him. Whilst still on lead, play with him, get him to sit, or you walk backwards and get him to come towards you for a piece of sausage - anything - but do something, and keep on doing it, until the other dog has passed by. If it doesn't work, don't give up, keep going. Just keep going, day after day after day. Oh, and one more thing. Don't raise your voice and don't tell him off. I see countless numbers of owners watching their dogs rearing on their hind legs, lunging out at other dogs, and then belatedly springing into action, by giving the dog a cuff round the ear. I feel really sorry for those dogs. Training Dave is not going to be easy. Often it's a case of "management" rather than "cure". Many of us live with dogs that don't have the ideal personalities that TV programmes would have us believe. It's not a Disney world out there! Learn to recognise your dog's limitations, and don't put him into situations that you know he can't cope with. Debbie Gillard www.positivedogs.co.uk |